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Iceberg Climbing    

The climbing version was discovered by Cant of Colchester, 1968, as a sport of Iceberg.

The original Iceberg floribunda was by Kordes, Germany (1958) ‘Robin Hood’ x ‘Virgo’.

This planting is in the Maud's garden.

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Plant Rose Rosa 3156
Variety Iceberg 47

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Tomartyr

Tomartyr

Folia Helper

New Zealand

Just noticed in “Botanica’s Roses” that Climbing Iceberg is a separate variety from the original Iceberg and was bred by Cant (UK) in 1968. According to the same reference, the original Iceberg floribunda shrub rose was bred by Kordes, not Korbin. Whoever the breeder, yours looks great!

Posted on 06 Apr 11 (about 4 years ago)

I boo-booed big time there, Tomartyr.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake.

In my haste to enter climbing Iceberg, I didn’t hunt for it as a separate rose. The ‘Korbin’ came from the reference I looked up (Peter Beales of all people) and it was bracketed after the name ‘Iceberg’ where the bracketed title is actually an alternate name and is not the name of the developer. I quite often put the breeder in brackets after the rose name. I will have to watch that in future. ‘Korbin’ means raven-haired and I cannot imagine that being applied to Iceberg for, although there have been other colours developed under the name Iceberg to me it will always be white.

I noticed when I went looking that Cant ‘discovered’ it and it was classed as a sport of Iceberg.

I will change my entry.

Posted on 06 Apr 11 (about 4 years ago)
Tomartyr

Tomartyr

Folia Helper

New Zealand

“Raven-haired”, huh? We named our two daughters Fiona and Melanie, because we liked the names and without any knowledge of their respective meanings. As it turns out, Fiona means fair and Melanie means dark. Trouble is, we got them the wrong way round! Such is life.

Posted on 07 Apr 11 (about 4 years ago)
Tomartyr

Tomartyr

Folia Helper

New Zealand

‘Korbin’ is the registration name for ‘Iceberg’. Registration names are usually printed with the first three letters in caps, thus KORbin, where the KOR denotes the breeder, Kordes. All of his roses will have registration names beginning with KOR, just as the registration names for David Austin’s roses begin with AUS and Sam MacGredy’s with MAC. But you knew that!

Posted on 07 Apr 11 (about 4 years ago)

No, I didn’t.

Glancing through some of my rose books I notice some have this registration name but a lot don’t – even some by Kordes. So are they earlier ones?

Others I see are (Poulred) by Poulson (Mattgro) by Mattock, etc.

Perhaps this discussion deserves another spot. Strange that korbin actually had a meaning.

Posted on 07 Apr 11 (about 4 years ago)
Tomartyr

Tomartyr

Folia Helper

New Zealand

I’m not familiar with the procedure that rose breeders and their society use. I gather there is a period between development and marketing during which an interim name is applied because a marketing name hasn’t been decided upon. Whether the allocation of an interim name starting with the first letters of the breeder’s name is an official requirement or a quaint tradition, I’ve no idea. It would be interesting to find out. As for the name “KORbin” being a word in its own right, I’ve noticed a few of these registration names form legitimate words, so I suppose that’s a little game they play. When I’m editing or initiating wikis for rose cultivars, I avoid including registration names as alternative names unless there is evidence that the rose has been marketed by that name at some time. My reasoning is that it unnecessarily clogs up the title banner of the wiki with “akas”. I mention the registration name under “etymology”. I also check to see if the registration name is listed in the Folia index of varieties and if it is, I recommend that it be merged with the edited version under the marketing name. That’s only my idea, of course. Anyone has a right to edit a wiki as they wish.

Posted on 08 Apr 11 (about 4 years ago)
Tomartyr

Tomartyr

Folia Helper

New Zealand

I picked up on your suggestion we give this discussion its own spot.

Posted on 09 Apr 11 (about 4 years ago)

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