Hey all – following on from this discussion we will be working on the first draft of the planting events quite soon and wanted to get an idea from all of you on what sort events you think you might need.
To give you an idea of what we mean by “events” – they are basically milestones for your plantings life that you’ll be able to log into the system.
To start things off, I’m coming at this from an edible plant background so my own immediate event wishlist is (with naming to be discussed):
Any suggestions to add to the list?
Edit: I’ll start adding the list here as we go so it doesn’t get too confusing:
Automatic (not selectable):
I definitely want that ‘sprouted’ ;) I think it is important to be able to record under what conditions it sprouted: indoors/outdoors, covered/uncovered, temperature. Maybe we could also record when the little sprout was moved to its final position (outdoors).
This is all very exciting, thanks guys!
For fruit trees: breaking of dormancy.
I want to track harvest but I’ve been waffling about how to do so. There’s the date that you can first harvest your first fruit, but the last date is also important (esp. with tomatoes here….) Yield is also something I’d like to track in some way but it’s not easy to make generic for a form. I don’t plant in acres so I can’t track it the way a farmer does. Yield per plant would be good except I only have one entry for the several snow pea plants I’m growing, for example. Germination rate is another one. Also survival percentage. How many plants made it from transplanted starts all the way to harvest? How many succumbed to slugs? To damping off?, etc.
Thanks for the ideas so far – I’ve added them up to the topic above as the draft in progress.
@spidra: Would there be a “Dormancy Started” and an “Dormancy Broken”? Is the wording appropriate for use with other plants other than fruit trees, or do we need to make this more general?
Any other suggestions / changes to naming?
Here is where my ephemerals can go!
They typically have this cycle: emergence, bloom, die down, dormancy. How could we best show that?
Examples of this would be daffodils, Virginia bluebells, and some amaryllis.
Darn, hit the button too soon.
For flowers, another issue is length of bloom, so you would not only want to know when bloom started, but when it ended.
I would prefer dormancy ended. As soon as theres any sign of life[bud,shoot,whatever] its come to the end of its dormancy period…
For perennials – ‘divided’(and number of new plants) or ‘moved to’ would be quite useful.
I’m not remotely an expert on this stuff, but I’d say that when dormancy ends is probably more important to note than when dormancy starts. And I call that “breaking dormancy”.
I’ve just updated the list and changed the wording a little to fit in with our latest thinking about this…take a look and let me know what you think :)
@trisha: As we want to encourage everyone to use the “Propagate from this Planting” option (or link a plant with its parent when a new planting is added ), we should maybe only have the “Propagate / Divided” option as an automatic one that is non selectable – i.e. when you propagate it will add that event into your journal automatically. Same for the Moved To – we could possibly add an automatic event that stamps the garden it came from and the garden it is going to?
@janietta / mark and lou : I think if we do this right, we should be able to derive the length of the harvest by the time between the first and last time you marked as “Harvesting” or “Blooming” – so you would just keep adding in these events as they happen and the system would figure out the time spans for each event.
I don’t know if it make sense to add “Purchased” and “Sown” to the list. I like to keep track of these event in my journal…
Yeah those events are a bit more tricky – we don’t want to be duplicating the data that we are saving on the planting (for sown date), but at the same time these sort of events listed in the journal makes more sense as it is then all in the one place.
We might go along the lines of automatically creating the sown date if you set it on the planting edit page…or we might remove sown date completely from the planting and go with the journal events only….we’ll have a think about this one :)
One I would love to see added is Showing Roots, or Rooting, for cuttings that have finally produced roots. I use sprouting right now, but it isn’t quite the same thing, and I am afraid it might tweak the data for germination times globally.
It would also be great if you could either add a Received to the list, or amend it to say Purchased/Received. It seems weird to me to enter Purchased when I get plants from friends or bring home cuttings, but it is the same sort of event from the point of view of the plant.
Thanks for all you do. I love this place. :)
I vote for Rooting too. I do a lot of cuttings now that I have finally learned how to get them to root properly.
@ SneIrish- and how is that?! My cuttings most always die. I have very bad luck with it. I have even tried rooting in water first, and sometimes they survive that way, but putting them directly in the dirt never works for me. I am not quite sure what to do! I will never accept bare roots plants or cuttings in swaps again, until I get this figured out!