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Planting Tomatoes on the 4th of July?

  • JimMarconnet 127 plants United States7a

    Here in Huntsville, Alabama, USA, it’s been in the mid-100s lately. All my Tomato plants growing in the dirt seem to be just sitting there. Not blooming. Not bearing. Just sitting there. Presumably stunted, despite frequent watering and fertilizing twice a month.

    Since I have several patio containers which are empty due to the flowers in them simply dieing in the heat, today I bought a 4-pack of Better Boy tomatoes. I plan to plant them really deep, with something over the top to shade them mostly till they take root.

    Does it make any particular sense to transplant Tomatoes on the 4th of July? I was surprised to see that Wal*Mart still had Lots and Lots of Tomato plants for sale. And just a few other veggie plants for sale.

    Will the presumably stunted Tomatoes I have growing here in my garden dirt (Alabama red clay!) ever come out of it and grow and bear again?

    A little off-topic – seeing the photo of Better Boy Tomatoes and reading a recent article how evenly-colored Tomatoes are thereby less sweet-tasting, I wonder how these Tomatoes will taste should they survive and bear fruit this fall?

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  • Folia Supporter
    120 plants United States5a

    I think they will be the best tasting tomatoes you have ever worked so hard to get. When is your first frost date? The interesting thing about patio tomatoes in a container is that you can bring them inside if it gets too cold. I think you’ll do well – and learn more in the process.

    I pray your heat stunted hesitant “bad boy” tomatoes get the hint with the new comers!

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  • 127 plants United States7a

    Unfortunately my patio containers are too big to bring inside. Oh well!

    I loved the “bad boy” tomatoes. Thought perhaps I had misspelled their name or something. Looked and I see you were making a funny!

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    120 plants United States5a

    I’m glad you got the pun. I was hesitant because posting in this format sometimes one can lose the humor and get offended or confused easily.

    However, I bet you could easily cover the tomatoes with a little “hot house” design. I have faith in you.

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  • 45 plants United States8a

    you should get a fall crop from them. The garden tomatoes should also produce once it cools off if you can keep them alive during the hot weather. Tomatoes do not set fruit once it gets hot.
    Here in Texas we plant early and harvest before it gets hot. My tomatoes are done already and I’m
    starting to replant for a fall crop. I will shade them until the weather starts to cool off.

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    124 plants United States7b

    Even if your tomatoes don’t have enough time to mature before frost, you can still pick them green. I had about 80 green tomatoes last year at the end of the season because I started more tomatoes late in the season (in July actually). You can either use them green (i.e. fried green tomatoes, green pickle relish) or you can give them some time to turn red. I just put mine on the counter and they ripened. They’re not as tasty to me when ripened on the counter. But, I still had quite an abundance and they ripened in a good frequency for me so I had fresh tomatoes for quite awhile.

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    124 plants United States7b

    One tip I was given for growing tomatoes in the extended dry heat of the south is to choose the little tomatoes. I have had success with roma, san marzano, juliet, yellow pear, sun sugar and black cherry. I still plant the bigger tomatoes, but I’ve been planting some small varieties as well so that I get the tomato satisfaction should I fail with the others.

    And, with this dry heat, we get very little movement in the air, so my tomato flowers can’t set fruit by themselves. While I’m watering, I “tickle the tomatoes”, meaning I flick the tomato flowers around every time I go out there.

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  • 127 plants United States7a

    Numerically, I see I could plant these 70-75 days to harvest Tomatoes up till August 7 and still get some fruit. I made up a simple Excel spreadsheet to make it easier for me to determine the date that’s x days or y weeks or z months before the last frost date or before the first frost date for my area. That will help me, along with Folia, of course.

    What I was hoping to learn here from you kind folks, is whether a lot of people plant tomatoes every few weeks or months (or at particular points in the weather season) to have a progression of plants in various stages of growth. With determinate Tomatoes, that would of course make even more sense than with indeterminate Tomatoes.

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  • 45 plants United States8a

    I don’t stager my plantings of tomatoes here in Texas. I plant early I do a planting in mid to late feb.
    This is about a month before our average last frost date. I protect these plants as best I can from frost if we get a freeze it’s replant time. Most years I get away witrh this. My determinate tomatoes set fruit until the weather gets to hot. Cherry tomatoes set fruit at in hotter weather.
    I also pick any green tomatoes on the vine just before the first heavy frost and wrap eack one in newspaper and place them in a cool area> I ck them about once a week and pull any turning pink to ripen on the counter. They extended the season another month or two. They are not as good as fresh picked but better then store bought.

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  • 127 plants United States7a

    Tonight I planted some Big Early Tomatoes that I got along with the Giant Tree Tomatoes that I planted earlier this year. The package they came in gave very little info. Under this same name, other seed places described a quick-maturing Tomato that makes Tomatoes much larger than Cherry size. So that sounds like what I want, starting just now.

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    578 plants United States8b

    aroung here we dont stagger the plantings—its a race to get tomatoes to ripen during the few months when the weather is warm enough for them to set and ripen fruit. I dont see the point either—if you want a harvest over an extended period why not just plant indeterminate varieties?

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    120 plants United States5a

    Does anyone have a spreadsheet or know of a spreadsheet that lists out tomato varieties and harvest dates? I’d be itching to do this project if there isn’t one.

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  • 127 plants United States7a

    To clarify a little…. I’m of the belief that once Tomatoes get stunted, perhaps by cold weather, perhaps by hot, dry weather, perhaps by nutrient deficiencies or excesses, whatever happens to stunt them; that they most likely never completely recover and grow vigorously and produce as fast, as much as younger, non-stunted, new growth tomatoes.

    So in my case, I’m trying to water and to fertilize them to keep my existing Tomatoes alive, hoping for the best later this Fall when it eventually rains and when it’s not so hot. At the same time, I’m starting some new, vigorous, non-stunted Tomatoes to grow in other places in my garden (without my slow everything down compost!) to hopefully produce abundantly this fall.

    I’m certainly open to others’ experiences and suggestions on Tomatoes and other vegetables.

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    Posted 11 months ago
  • I just cut suckers off of my current tomatoes yesterday. I placed in water to let their roots form. In a few days I will put in a soil free mix and leave in shade so they can root. By Aug 1, I will put in the ground and I should have great tomatoes before our frost date of Oct 15 which lately has been Nov 1.

    I do this every year for a free second crop… . Best of Luck…

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  • 127 plants United States7a

    Cherokee Motley, I appreciate the suggestion about using suckers from current tomatoes. Last year I took off a sucker, stuck it in the soil of a potted plant on my patio, and watched it stay green, but never grow a bit the rest of the season, till the frost killed it. I don’t know why that happened. I would have expected it to either grow or to die.

    The growing tips of my tomato plants would seem like a good source for rootings, but they are all basically dead from whatever it was that’s wrong with my compost with-which I top-dressed my tomatoes early-season.

    Before I planted my 4 Better Boy Tomatoes, I cut off all the lower branches and attempted to root 7 of them in potting soil. A few days later, they all look pretty dead to me. Oh well!

    So I guess I’m back to the rooting suckers in plain water option, which is what you suggested. Thanks!

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  • 127 plants United States7a

    Ok, I just went out and cut off a growing section of many of my current Tomato plants, cut off their stems with the scissors under water, and left them all on a not-so-sunny West windowsill in a measuring cup of water with some really stinky miracle enzyme rooting/growing stuff so hopefully they will root. Assuming this works, I’ll have as many brand new Tomato plants in about a month as I have current Tomato plants growing out in my garden. Not to mention the seeds I recently planted indoors, and the volunteer Tomato plants that keep popping up out there. Tomatoes! Tomatoes! Tomatoes!

    No, the cuttings that I took are not nearly as large as in that photo, but the water roots are something I aspire to happening!

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  • I might take some cuttings of some of my better looking tomato plants and try to root a few to plant. I’m like you, this Alabama heat is killer on my tomatoes and even some of my peppers (the sweet varieties). Got plans for a better way of watering for next year, maybe that will help. Who knows!

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  • 127 plants United States7a

    Last year I bought several drip watering kits. I planned to use one kit on and above the concrete patio and the overhang. The other to be used out in the sunny yard. Unfortunately, I stored them in my garage. It’s been sooooooo hot this season that I’ve not managed to spend enough time out in my garage to find them, much less to install them out back.

    On top of that, I keep changing my garden plans. Drip systems seem more suitable for perennials and trees and such than for constantly changing vegetable gardens. Unless, of course, you do it like the plant nurseries and have about 5,000 drip hoses and emitters and stick then into the pots where and as needed.

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