When to make renovations?
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I’ve read through the previous posts in the group and I’m pretty sure I know why my strawberries have been declining. I think I’ve done about everything wrong except pinching back the blooms every spring!
So I’m trying to think up a renovation plan and would like some help/feedback. It’s pretty much a done deal that I need to find a new home for the berries. Our native soils are a solid 8+ on our property and I’m not interested in swimming upstream in rapids just to grow berries. Easy fix, I already use wine barrels for herbs and other edibles, so I’ll add two more for the berries. That will make the pH issues much easier to manage, but my question is, how to proceede with the relocation? Should I dig up my existing plants and move them over now? They just came out of dormancy about 3 weeks ago and have about 3-5 leaves right now. I just started pinching buds about 2 days ago.
Orrrr… should I just follow the instructions on harvesting the runners and start from those in the barrels next year and write berries off for 2011? Oh, and how much spacing do the plants need in the barrels? I currently have them at 18". Since the barrel is big enough, should I mound it in the middle?
Thanks for any advice. ; )
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June Bearing have a lifespan of about seven years, however after 3 years production starts to diminish and by year six berries are pretty much non-existent. I renovate June bearing every three years. To renovate a plant, cut off the leaves and tops just above the crown. Don’t cut into the crown or the plant will die. I can then get another two good years of full production from the plant. After the second year, I replace the plants with new ones propagated from runners.
Ever Bearing have a life of about 3-4 years. After the second year, I renovate the plants which will give me an additional year. I have 18" wide wide rows with 4 plants across, or 4 rows of plants approximately 6" apart. Every other year I will plant propagated runners in the inside 2 rows, and renovate the outside 2 rows. Then after 2 years, I replace the outside rows and renovate the inside rows, etc.
Day Neutral have a 2-year life, since they produce non-stop. I use the alternating row technique above each year, so the plants are always replaced after two years production.
Barrels will work fine. And mounding will give you more surface area, meaning more room for more plants. I pack my plants tight, meaning 5-6 inches apart. I have a friend that has a hydroponic berry farm, and he plants at 4" spacing in pots mounted to poles. Actually how close you plant depends if you are feeding the plants regularly (weekly) with a good high sulfur plant food. I use Jack’s Classic Acid Special 17-6-6. The reason that nurseries recommend 16"-18" between plants is that you need room to root the runners. I control runner propagation and therefore can control spacing. Trust me when I tell you your production won’t suffer from plants being crowded, assuming you feed them properly. Also make sure you get a good handle on the Ph.
Happy Growing.
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2 thumbs up!Posted about 2 years ago | Last edited about 2 years ago
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Thanks for the info. Sorry I meant to comment that they were Tristar (Day Neutral).
I guess I’ll start the barrels and just focus on harvesting runners for them this year and whatever berries they manage to produce. There’s no chance of changing the garden pH easily and I’m not sure I would want to because of the veggies there and other things.
Thanks again. Has anyone told you you’re berry nutty about strawberries??? Hehe… kidding. I’m glad you’re here and willing to help.
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1 thumbs up!Posted about 2 years ago
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Great question…pilfering some to add to my strawberry notes page. Then, off to find some Jack’s Classic online – no one around here has the stuff.
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0 thumbs up!Posted about 2 years ago
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@VSecrets…. I was thinking later that you need to use bagged topsoil for you the top 16" of the barrel. I just realized, you are from Colorado, where the soil is extremely alkaline from all the limestone. Your biggest challenge is watering the plants, because almost all the water sources are very alkaline. Even with low-Ph topsoil in your planter, the alkaline water you irrigate the strawberries with would raise the Ph constantly. You really should pre-treat your water with a little fast-acting sulfur before watering. I can’t tell you how much per gallon. Personally, I’d invest in a Ph test kit and try add 1/2 tsp per gallon of water, then mix well and re-test. For example, if it moved 1 point, you can add additional sulfur (ie: 1tsp) to get to 5.0. At a Ph of 8.0, I’m surprised your strawberries produce at all.
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1 thumbs up!Posted about 2 years ago
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Thanks, I picked up the barrels, some sand and top soil yesterday but I haven’t done anything yet because I can’t find the 90% fast acting sulfur you mention. I have some other places I can try today.
Yes, I was going to do some research on adding a little bit of sulfur to the water every time I water because I had read somewhere that the water will tend toward the soil pHs of an area. I did have a pH meter in my tool shed, so I pulled that out and did a reading on the water and soil. My water is at 7.2 and the garden soil the berries are in right now is actually at 6.8. (It’s a raised bed that I brought topsoil in for.) My most unammended flower bed is reading 7.6. This is surprising because when we first moved here I did a test and it was 8.2. I can only guess this is because we had just modified the landscaping and stirred up a lot of the basement clay on the property. Perhaps that was much higher and it’s starting to settle back down.
I’ll find the sulfur I need and then set up the barrels with a custom soil mix and take a measurement and go from there. I’ll let you know when I get there if I have anymore questions or tell you how it goes.
By the way, I’ve been trying to get some more information on strawberry pH requirements and most of the sites were recommending 5.5-6.5. It sounds like you’ve done a lot of research on this and I’m just curious where you got your information from. I’m only asking because I wanted to modify the garden bed a little if needed for the veggies there but I’m loathe to trust the information I’m finding if they’re so off on Strawberries.
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0 thumbs up!Posted about 2 years ago
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You can order Encap Fast Acting Sulfur from Amazon. Anywhere between 4.8 and 6.5 is probably OK if you are a hobby grower. I grow for maximum production, because I trade Strawberries for Blueberries, Potatoes, Onions, Peaches, and other crops. One June-Bearing strawberry plant can produce 14-16 ounces of fruit per season under optimum conditions. Under Not-So-Optimum conditions (Ph of 6.5), production can drop to 8-10 ounces per plant per season. I harvested between 1300-1400 berries per 2200 plants last year. This year I have 3500 plants, because I have new trades setup for “Strawberries for a butchered Pig” this year. I’m shooting for self-sufficiency, so every strawberry makes a difference.
I’m basing my 5.0 Ph recommendation on over thirty years of growing Strawberries. I’m very analytical (my wife calls it anal) about Ph and Nutrients, so I have tried growing in a broad range of Ph levels from 4.0 to 7.0, and trying to track berry production. I have a good relationship with Cornell University and have followed their studies on Ph as well. I have concluded that Strawberries do best at a Ph of 4.8 to 5.2, however at 6.0, the plant begins to struggle, and at over 7.0, the plant starts shutting down. Ph affects a plants ability to absorb nutrients from the soil. Each plant has an optimum Ph in which the absorption of nutrients and micro-nutrients is best. Phosphorous and Potassium absorption in Strawberry plants is affected by alkaline soil. At 8.0 Ph, the plants ability to absorb any nutrients is blocked to the point that it goes dormant and eventually dies.
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2 thumbs up!Posted about 2 years ago | Last edited about 2 years ago
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I was right, you are berry nutty about strawberries! Does Cornell University post anything for the general public on their pH recommendations for other garden fruits and veggies? Similar to your finding for the strawberries. I’m pretty sure I need to at least try to get my garden pH down from 6.8 to 6.5. But I’m wondering if even a little lower wouldn’t be better, maybe 6.0 – 6.3.
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0 thumbs up!Posted about 2 years ago
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Actually, this is the best I could find. It’s not a handy little chart, but it’s in the fact sheets along with some other helpful information. Thanks.
Vegetables
“http://www.gardening.cornell.edu/homegardening/scene0391.html”:Fruits
“http://www.gardening.cornell.edu/fruit/homefruit.html”:
Interesting their Strawberry documentation also says 5.5-7.0. No wonder everyone calls homegrown strawberries “never bearing”. -
0 thumbs up!Posted about 2 years ago | Last edited about 2 years ago
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Cornell is a big place, so I’m not sure who published this. I do know that the Cornell Greenhouse maintains a Ph of 5.0 for their strawberries. I also know that at 7.0, you will have minimum production. I can only tell you what works best for me from my experience. I really try to avoid giving people advice based on web articles, unless I’ve actually tried it. I’ve found that the web is full of bad and conflicting information.
BTW, ….You’re links are broken. I can’t get a good link using the button. I just put the word in quotes, then a colon, followed by the address (no spaces after the second quotation mark.
Vegetables
Fruit
Relative to Ph for your garden, 6.0 to 7.0 is fine for most vegetables. I’ve got notebooks full of Ph tests on all kinds of things dating back twenty years (both mine and from Cornell Ag school). One of these days I’ll get around to summarize it and post it.
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1 thumbs up!Posted about 2 years ago | Last edited about 2 years ago
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I totally agree with you about the trust worthiness of the web and I do trust your advice. I posted the information from their document more as a heads up to you. It’s hard for me to accept a sites information on garden veggies when they’re information in strawberries is so clearly wrong. I was hoping you might have a reputable source that I could trust to get information for the rest of my garden. It’s probably not that important since I really just have a small home garden.
Status on the Berry Pots: I put together my pot mix today and it started out at 7.2. Last I checked it was at 6.9. I’m just going to let it sit over night (since I ran out of time anyway) and mess with it some more tomorrow.
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0 thumbs up!Posted about 2 years ago
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I’m back. I’ve been out running around and messing with this project off and on for the past few days, not getting any place fast. I decided to buy a bottle of pH test solution to double check my cheap tester. The tester was say 6.8, the solution looked like a little over 6ish maybe? So I dumped most of my new 2lb bottle of sulfur into the barrel and mixed it into the top 3" and wet it all down and retested. Oye… oops. I think I’m at a solid 4 now. lol
Oh well, I’m going to let the cauldron sit and stew over night and check again tomorrow. If it really is 4, then that’s probably a good thing because I still need to put another 2" of soil in the container and that would probably be about right.
Interesting fact, the pH solution fruit/vegie chart has strawberries listed at 5 as optimal. It also had measurements for most of my other vegies that are much lower than what I’ve been reading online. So that was a good find.
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0 thumbs up!Posted about 2 years ago
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@VSecrets…. Manufacturers of Ph Test Kits for Gardens is a source I would trust. Sometime in the future when you have time, we’d like to see the recommended Ph for other Veggies & Fruit.
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0 thumbs up!Posted about 2 years ago
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pH preferences of common flowers, grasses and food crops
Flowers, Trees & Shrubs:
Azalea 4 ½ – 5 ½
African Violet 6 – 7
Ageratum 6 – 7
Alyssum 6 – 7
Anemone 6 – 7 ½
Arborvitae 6 – 7
Aster 5 – 6
Amaryllis 5 – 6
Alder 6 – 7
Andromeda 5 – 6
Ash 6 – 7
Begonia 5 ½ – 6 ½
Butterfly Bush 6 – 6 ½
Bottlebrush 6 – 7 ½
Birch 4 ½ – 6
Bayberry 4 ½ – 6
Beech 6 – 7
Boxwood 6 – 7
Batchelor Button 6 ½ – 7 ½
Cedar 5 – 7
Cypress 5 – 6
Cottoneaster 6 – 7
Cottonwood 6 – 7 ½
Chestnut 5 – 6 ½
Carnation 6 – 7 ½
Caladium 5 ½ – 6 ½
Canna 6 – 7 ½
Croton 5 – 7
Chrysanthemum 5 ½ – 6 ½
China aster 5 – 7
Dogwood 6 – 7
Daffodil 6 – 8
Dahlia 6 – 7
Delphinium 6 – 7 ½
Deutzia 6 – 7
Daphne 5 ½ – 6 ½
Elm 6 – 7
Euonymus 6 – 7
Eucalyptus 6 ½ – 7 ½
Forsythia 5 ½ – 6 ½
Fir 5 ½ – 7
Fern 5 – 6
Fuchsia 5 ½ – 6 ½
Gardenia 5 – 6
Gladiolus 5 ½ – 6 ½
Geranium 6 – 7 ½
Hibiscus 5 – 6 1/2
Holly 5 – 6
Hydrangea (Blue) 4 ½ – 5 ½
Hydrangea (Pink) 6 ½ – 7 ½
Hawthorn 6 – 7 ½
Hyacinth 6 – 7
Hazel (Witch) 6 – 7
Hemlock 5 – 6
Honeysuckle 6 – 7
Horsechestnut 6 – 7
Iris 6 – 6 ½
Ilex 5 – 6
Ivy 6 – 7
Juniper 5 – 6
Lantana 5 ½ – 6 ½
Lily 5 – 6
Larch 6 – 7
Laurel 5 – 6
Locust 6 – 7
Lilac 6 – 7
Linden 6 – 7
Lily of the Valley 5 – 6
Magnolia 5 – 6
Marigold 5 ½ – 7
Maple 6 ½ – 7 ½
Mulberry 6 – 7
Narcissus 6 – 6 ½
Oak 5 – 6
Orchid 4 ½ – 6
Palm 5 ½ – 7
Pansy 5 – 6 ½
Peony 6 – 7 ½
Periwinkle 6 – 7 ½
Petunia 5 ½ – 7
Phlox 5 – 6
Pine 5 – 6
Plane Tree 6 – 7
Poinsetta 6 – 7
Poplar 6 – 7
Privet 6 – 7
Quince 6 – 7
Rose 5 ½ – 7
Rhododendron 4 ½ – 5 ½
Snapdragon 6 – 7
Spirea 6 – 7
Spruce 5 – 6
Sweetgum 6 – 7
Sycamore 6 – 7 ½
Tulip 6 – 6 ½
Tupelo 6 – 7
Tuliptree 6 – 7
Verbena 6 – 7 ½
Violet 6 – 7 ½
Viburnum 6 – 7
Walnut 6 – 7
Weigelia 6 – 7
Willow 5 – 7
Wisteria 6 – 7 ½
Yew 6 – 7
Yucca 6 – 7
Zinnia 5 ½ – 7Grasses
Blue (Ky) 5 ½ – 7 ½
Bent 5 ½ – 6 ½
Bermuda 6 – 7
Buffalo 6 – 7 ½
Clover 5 ½ – 7
Fescue (red) 5 ½ – 6 ½
Fescue (tall) 6 ½ – 7 ½
Rye 5 ½ – 8
Rye (Perennial) 6 – 7
St. Augustine – 6 – 7 ½
Zoysea – 4 ½ – 7 ½Fruit and Vegetables
Alfalfa 7 – 7 ½
Apple 5 ½ – 6 ½
Artichoke 6 – 6 ½
Asparagus 6 – 6 ½
Barley 7 – 7 ½
Bean 5 ½ – 6 ½
Beets 6 – 7
Blackberry 5 ½ – 6 ½
Broccoli 6 – 6 ½
Brussel Sprout 6 – 6 ½
Cabbage 6 – 6 ½
Cantaloupe 6 – 6 ½
Cherry 6 – 6 ½
Cauliflower 5 ½ – 6 ½
Chive 6 – 6 ½
Corn 5 ½ – 6 ½
Cranberry 4 ½ – 5
Carrot 5 ½ – 6 ½
Cucumber 6 – 6 ½
Celery 6 – 6 ½
Eggplant 5 ½ – 6 ½
Grapes 5 ½ – 6 ½
Grapefruit 6 – 6 ½
Lemon 7 –7 ½
Lettuce 6 – 6 ½
Lima Bean 6 – 6 ½
Mushroom 6 – 6 ½
Onion 5 ½ – 6 ½
Peas 6 – 6 ½
Parsley 5 ½ – 6 ½
Peach 6 – 61
Pear 6 – 6 ½
Pepper 5 ½ – 6 ½
Potato (Sweet) 6 – 6 ½
Potato 5 – 5 ½
Plum 6 – 6 ½
Pumpkin 5 ½ – 6 ½
Rhubarb 5 ½ – 6 ½
Rice 5 – 6 ½
Rye 5 ½ – 6 ½
Radish 6 – 6 ½
Soybean 6 – 6 ½
Spinach 6 – 7
Squash 5 ½ – 6 ½
Strawberry 5 – 5 ½
Turnip 5 ½ – 6 ½
Tomato 5 ½ – 6 ½
Watermelon 5 ½ – 6 ½
Wheat 6 – 7 -
2 thumbs up!Posted about 2 years ago
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Wow… That’s great. I was going over some of the controversial ones and they’re right on the money from my experience. You should post this in the Plant Nutrition Group. We’re trying to create a troubleshooting guide there, and this would be a perfect addition.
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1 thumbs up!Posted about 2 years ago | Last edited about 2 years ago
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I put a post up in the Plant Nutrition group, but to tell you the truth, I like your list better because it has your suggestions as well. I think I’ll delete the list and just put a link in there to your copy if you don’t mind?
Also, I finished up berry planter today and I’m pretty sure the pH color indicator is sitting around 5 give or take a little. I dug up about half of the berries from a healthy section of my garden, rinsed and checked all the roots and put them in. I’m pretty sure it’s the wrong time of year, but hey, I wasn’t going to get any berries anyway most likely.
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0 thumbs up!Posted about 2 years ago
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And while I was out there digging up the berries, I dug under the back half of the patch that wasn’t looking so hot to make room for something else back there this year. The center root stem of a few of the remaining berries back there had orange root stems and mostly dead roots. One of them had a small fat sort of grub on it that was sort of a pinkish orange color. It dropped off and I couldn’t find it to take a picture. Any idea what that might be that was attacking that part of the garden berries?
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0 thumbs up!Posted about 2 years ago
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OOPS …. I just got reading my earlier post “I harvested between 1300-1400 berries per 2200 plants last year” – Should have been 1300-1400 pounds. That’s a “little better” than 1/2 berry per plant – LOL
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