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Germinating vs Sprouting in soil

  • PeddlerOfFlesh 17 plants United States9b

    I’m a bit confused when it comes to making journal entries. I start my seeds out germinating in various ways, then move them to soil. When they germinate, I have been marking this as “sprouting” because there doesn’t seem to be a better choice. However, that also has me selecting “sprouting” when they pop out of the soil I plant them in. Is there a better option to choose for either of these? Having them use the same thing does not seem ideal, as germination can take much less time than sprouting from soil (which is affected by a lot of factors).

    Thanks.

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  • ceae

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    185 plants Canada6a

    I don’t remember for sure, but I think the way your using the milestones was why the two were created in the first place. Personally, if I germinate without soil I just wait unit it’s planted and sprouted to mark the ‘sprouting’ milestone, but your method makes perfect sense to me.

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  • nic

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    This is an interesting one – does anyone else feel that we also need a “germinated” event? How could we name these events in a way that will be obvious which one to use in which circumstance? Quite a lot of our calculations hinge on the sprouted event at the moment, so getting this right for each plant is important.

    I found that I wanted a “chitting” event for my potatoes so I could start logging them before I planted them, so I can potentially see a need for this type of event for a couple of different cases. It would be great to hear what everyone thinks about this :)

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  • The only problem I can see with a “germinated” event is that you won’t know how long it took to germinate if you sow directly into the soil. But that also means that if the “germination days” is based off of “Sprouting” the numbers are probably off. I guess to be more accurate we’d also need a “days until sprouting”.

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  • 12 plants South Africa

    I also find the terms germate and sprouting confusing.
    As far as I am conserned after a seed/bulb ect is planted it germinate and form a sprout, the plant to be.

    Seed or bulbs are either planted in a container for it to germinate and once it sprouts it is transplanted or it is planted directly in to the soil where it will germinate, sprout and grow.

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  • graibeard

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    It is a difficult one, but language and usage sees many terms as duplicates when common usage takes over from the older specific, or technical use.
    Germinating, sprouting and even chitting are all sprouting events but I believe I can see where and why they’d fit best.

    As I see it; If you’re germinating something then you’re checking to see if it’s actually viable – as in germination test – but that doesn’t mean that it’s the end of their life as the baggy method shows. That method has its benefits (thinking of my difficult chilli seeds here) which is just germinating in ideal conditions with a view to then growing them on.
    Chitting is a valid term but is interchangeable with sprouting, except we are pre -sprouting the material and then planting it out. So it really is a distinct method.

    So, they are all sprouting techniques or methods and they are probably all deserving of their own name or description. Would it confuse the database too much if they were just lumped together as sprouting events? I assume you apply some sort of best fit to the results anyway so if there are only a few germinating records then they wouldn’t skew the results too much, or may even be excluded if too far off base – out of band?

    Germination would be slightly earlier than most of us record sprouting events, if not from just the fact that germinating means we’d be watching them like a hawk and sprouting would be more a whatever, whenever – “close enough if I round off a few days” type observation :) Chitting is also a looser term as they may have actually been sprouting for a week or more before we actually plant them.
    Perhaps from a database point of view – if a planting out event followed a chitting or germinating event then the planting out event becomes the sprouting event…. pauses … everyone caught up yet? (my brain hurts too, if it’s any consolation :) Yeah, I know you wanted a simple answer but we’re free wheeling here aren’t we? ;)

    Incidentally, looking at the milestone list, wouldn’t Showing Roots be just Germinating by another name? Hmm, but not if it was a bulb I guess. ?


    Speaking of milestone events, but not a sprouting one – pricking out.
    Is it only me that uses it? I think I used the Showing True Leaves milestone as a substitute for it.

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  • 12 plants South Africa

    confusion,confusion, as many countries as many answers.
    Whe should abide by whatever Nic decide on in the end.

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  • 34 plants United States4a

    I would love a germination designation!

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  • ceae

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    185 plants Canada6a

    My two cents … for the record :)
    Germinating and sprouting are two distinct events.

    Germination occurs when that first little white root (radicle) cracks through the seed coat.
    Spouting occurs when the seedling pops through the soil either in the form of the ‘inverted u’ (hypocotyl) or the stem with first leaves (cotyledons)

    Most people may not be aware of the process because it often happens unseen underground. I watch this happen often because I germinate some of my seeds in my areo seed trays (and always wait to mark the sprouted event when I see the stem – not just the root). Anyone who starts seed on paper towels, might also have seen this.

    I think we should retain both milestones. No one is being forced to use the germinated event – and it can be removed from your list if you don’t.

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  • 12 plants South Africa

    I go along with ceae’s explanation, as I believe that it is what happens to seeds/bulbs.
    First germination and than sprouting, with germination usually unnoticed as it is hidden by the growing medium.

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  • Om
    0 plants United States6a

    I will speak to the Showing Roots event, as I think I spoke up for that one. I use it for cuttings and other things started in water, like my avocado seeds. For seeds it is the same as Germinated, but for soft and hard cuttings it is probably a bit different. But, in considering how we treat it next, once a cutting has sprouted those first roots, it is viable and is left to grow a bit until it shows new leaf growth, then it is pricked out (put into soil) to continue its new life cycle.

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