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Sunflower mystery.

  • sheepandwool 97 plants United States6a

    Hi all,
    I went to the allotment today and noticed that the one sunflower head that looked ripe had some seeds missing. I assumed that birds were beginning to peck at them, so I thought it may be a good time to harvest. But just to make sure that the seeds are ready, I picked 3 or 4 of the biggest ones towards the edge (pecked areas). To my surprise, when I cracked them open they were completely empty. Just perfectly formed, empty shells. Anyone have any idea what is happening?

    Full disclosure: the sunflower is Russian Mammoth. Probably 10’ tall. Head at least a foot across. Petals have shriveled/dropped off. Head is facing down.

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  • Folia Supporter
    285 plants Australia9b

    Seems to be a problem that comes and goes.

    Various reasons given range from long drought period, not enough water during growing period, insufficient fertiliser, early onset of autumn.

    When growing giant sunflowers, soil preparation should include deep digging to loosen soil and to allow for better absorption of fertiliser. Giant sunflowers can have a taproot 4 feet long – this is why the seed is best planted directly into growing position rather than trying to raise seedlings in pots. A slow release fertiliser should be added to a depth of 8"-10".

    Lack of pollinating bees could also be a factor and the proximity of other sunflowers.

    It’s a real bummer to grow something like a sunflower to its maximum height and then discover that the shells are empty.

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  • 97 plants United States6a

    @Prickles – Well, we did have quite a drought for a good part of the summer, which was preceded by an extremely wet spring. If I had to pick a reason, that would be the most likely. I tested the soil before planting, and it was quite replete with nutrients. As for bees, there are a bunch of hives right on the allotment (though not in my space). Also, I planted a total of 6 sunflowers together, and virtually every other allotment tenant has some type of sunflower on their lots, so lots and lots of other sunflowers around. Haven’t bumped into anyone at the allotment today to confirm (or not) if they are experiencing the same problem.

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    285 plants Australia9b

    I have since googled ‘sunflower empty seeds’ in various combinations of those words and it is not an unusual problem.

    Nobody seems to have a specific answer that I can find.

    I gave up on growing the big varieties and now grow the (what I call) clumping kinds such as ‘Bronzed Aussie’.

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  • I have always assumed this problem was due to poor pollination. I’ve never really checked my sunflower seeds that much as I just donate them to the local wildlife.

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  • Amarylis

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    128 plants United Kingdom8a

    I’ve also had that problem with Sunflowers! You are not alone by any means! I had a head exactly as you described only it was about half the height of yours. I cut it off a week ago & put it in the greenhouse to dry off. I’ll have a look tomorrow & see if the shells are empty.

    Not many flowers when I took that photo but lots are opening right now!

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    285 plants Australia9b

    That’s a decent sized planting, Amarylis.

    I’m getting all enthusiastic about growing some more sunflowers this coming spring.

    I just plant for the enjoyment I get from the colour and watching the birds – especially the rosellas.

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    120 plants United States5a

    It would seem that for every seed there has to be pollination. Perhaps its the bees that didn’t get to all the stamens? Sunflowers are one of my absolute favorites in general.

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    285 plants Australia9b

    That’s interesting, Fhaith.

    Have you got a source that we could look up?

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    120 plants United States5a

    @Prickles, no source just trying to think logically. But I did find this….

    Question

    So, I’m attempting to harvest sunflower seeds from some giant sunflowers I planted a coons age or two ago. Unfortunately, there’s nothing inside the seed pods!

    I believe the sunflower was a ‘giant’, it may have been a mammoth though (actually it may have been both as I just used some old seeds my mom gave me a year or two ago and threw away the packs). Also searching for this info on the Internet is hard since ‘giant’ is also a brand of sunflower seeds (apparently not coming from giant sunflowers)

    Should there be anything inside the seed pods to begin with? i.e., whether or not certain sunflower varieties are purely ornamental."

    Answer
    “I have had that happen to me before, and I found a very small worm, resembling a minature corn ear worm. They were boring very small holes in the shells and eating the insides out. I do not know what they are but they can be controlled the same way as corn ear worms. They can do real damage to a crop of sunflowers.”

    source: gardeners and landscapers beta – ahem…. has similar attributes as Myfolia – badges, etc. I promise I won’t go there again. Google gave me the above information that I thought interesting to the original question.

    The worm theory sounds more plausible.

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    285 plants Australia9b

    Thanks, Fhaith.

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  • 472 plants United States7b

    Does any one know any thing about Mexican Sun flowers? I bought the plant at a farmer’s market, planted it at the top of the garden. The plant did really well it out lived the four other sun flowers I planted. My question is where are the seeds you save? The plant has red pedals that are falling off now, so where are the seeds? The sun flower is still thriving, I would like to save some seeds. Ellen from Georgia

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  • Amarylis

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    128 plants United Kingdom8a

    The seeds fill up all the centre of the flower head where all the tiny bright yellow flowers fill it up. Everyone of them is a potential seed & are black or maybe white or even white with black stripes. The plant will hang its head when all the petals have fallen off. You should leave the head alone for a couple of months then cut it off & put it in a dry, warm place so the seeds can finish drying. You can collect & sow some of them next year & give some to the wild birds or even cage birds like parrots or little rodents like Hamsters. You can even eat them yourself once you get the kernel out of the shell! My wife has been eating some Sunflower seeds from a head I brought home from the allotment last week!

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    578 plants United States8b

    By mexican sunflower do you mean tithonia?

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  • 472 plants United States7b

    I don’t know the botanical name, I’m looking for a better picture. Some of the flowers are hanging over now and the middle is black and thorny. I cut a couple, one of the black ones and one of the still colored ones and put them in a cup to dry. The plant is out side worried about the rain knocking every thing down or it falling to the ground. Shouldn’t I cut the ones that have bent over and turned black? Maybe this is a better picture. Ellen from Georgia

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  • It looks like titonia to me. Not a ‘seedy’/true sunflower as we know but a pretty, drought loving plant. It grows BIG.

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    285 plants Australia9b

    Hortus gives Tithonia as having the common name ‘Mexican Sunflower’, of which there is T. diversifolia (a shrub to 15ft) and T. rotundifolia an annual to 6ft.

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  • Folia Supporter
    120 plants United States5a

    So what I am understanding then, Ellen from Georgia does not have a true sunflower but a confusing common name to elude she does. Those silly common names. They get the best of us sometimes.

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  • 472 plants United States7b

    So what should I do pick the flower when it is bent over and black or when it is still has color? How do I save the seeds from it? Ellen from Georgia

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  • Folia Supporter
    578 plants United States8b

    usually you have to let the flower dry and leave it for a while to get seeds. But they wont be true sunflower seeds, so probably not edible.

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  • 472 plants United States7b

    That’s okay, I just want to plant some more for next year and watch them grow they are a beautiful plant. Thia sunflower doesn’t need much water can survive the hot dry weather and has a very pretty red flower. Ellen from Georgia

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